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Me on Public Radio Tonight. Race, Class, Language, Imusness. What Would YOU Say?

UPDATE: SHOW HAS BEEN CANCELLED. they decided to focus on the Virginia tech thing. The show will air at some point and be less about Imus, which is good. In the meantime, keep the comments coming, and if you want, leave voicemail on my call in line. I'll do my own podcast on the subject based on your input! Voicemail number is in the sidebar to the right. Or just call 254-247-3228.

The good folks at Radio Open Source have invited me on the air for a third time, this time the subject is Imusness. From the show page:

Race, class, and language. The Right is defending Imus by claiming that African Americans use that language…so let's take their argument head on. Should we discuss who -- in this country of free speech -- can use derogatory language about race? Can the youth say it; Chris Rock; only African Americans? Have we reached a point that it shouldn't be cool for anyone -- anytime, to use that language?
Nother, in a comment to Open Source, 4/13/07

They also link to Michelle Malkin’s version of the argument.

The show airs live tonight April 19 at 7pm - 8pm eastern, and you can grab it online.

I've been inundated with Imusness for the past week, talking about it, doing standup about it, writing my Weekly Dig column about it (runs next week). I count at least 10 issues raised by the event, but on this subject of "who can say what." In essence, folks are saying, "black folks say it. so can I." Here are some of my thoughts.

1. criticism of rap is cool, but it's not a simple problem
as black folk, we DO need to challenge the uglier images of ourselves promoted by us, especially in the form of the worst commercial rap music. i don't think it's as simple as "stopping" misogynistic lyrics. You can't just tell people to stop doing something even if it's in their interest to do so. We all know McDonald's is unhealthy, yet its business continues to grow. Rap music is big business owned and promoted by corporations whose profit-driven motive cannot be ignored or underestimated.

2. Imus is your embarrassing dad trying to be cool
He failed in this instance because of a combination of factors: he wasn't funny but just mean, and he attacked the wrong people. Also, those words just sounded so very wrong coming from him. He is 67 years old and, racist or not, no one over 50 has the right to say the word "ho" whether directed at peers, scholar-athletes or sex workers. You know how awkward you feel when your parents wear their caps cocked to the side and try to use the language of your generation and tell you how "fly" you look? Suddenly, you don't feel so "fly," just ashamed, and you want your parents to just be quiet.

3. has my comedy ever embodied self-deprecation that is specifically about being black?
Yes my comedy has made fun of me being black (friend chicken, kool-aid, for example) because that's a part of me. I've also made fun of being an American, liberal, Bostonian and other aspects of my identity. So no, I won't stop doing it, and I don't think other comedians should either.

check out the audio or transcript from NPR's On The Media last week. Leon Wynter makes some great points about appropriation of black culture that I sort of respond to below

4. Do others, i.e. non-blacks, interpret this kind of self-deprecation as an opportunity to adopt that language?
yes, others "outside the family" constantly try to appropriate inside language for their own purposes, usually to gain some sort of street or hip cred. This is not a simple issue. I would never attempt to appropriate inside jokes from Thai culture, for example, because Thai culture is not POPULAR. I get no validation from society regarding my image when I do Thai things.

Yes, we're dealing with sensitivities of group pride, ownership and comfort along with who is "allowed" to say something or not.

But we're also dealing with big business and popular culture. It's hard to blame the white executive that greets a new black employee with "Sup son!" because to him, that language isn't necessarily "black" inasmuch as it is "cool." What that executive needs to ask himself is would he greet a young white employee the same way or with "hey dude." Executives should stay executives either way.

Our current culture conflates to an extreme degree elements of the black experience with coolness, and the danger is for some non-black person to attempt "cool" and come off as offensive, completely unintentionally. There is also damage to black people, even globally because commodification of culture is rarely without its costs.

Those elements of black culture that are being sold to society at large are caricatures of a slice of the black experience: baggy pants, the n-word, nappy, hos, etc. The popular culture hasn't found it fit to sell perseverance, faith, creativity and strength -- all equally important aspects of black American identity.

The packaging of black culture has deprived black people of their humanity in many ways. Our culture is just another product to be picked up and reused by whomever. This Imus incident and Michael Richards and <insert 1,000 examples here> make me look -forward to the day when we can just be human beings again.

5. A hodgepodge of other issues

  • Freedom of speech means the government can't lock you up. It doesn't mean the people have to like it or put up with it. It doesn't mean you have a right to broadcast it everywhere you want and expect no consequences. Part of freedom of speech means dealing with the repercussions.
  • Risky comedy still has to be FUNNY. Imus consistently fails the funny test
  • Disrespect for women sells across ALL races. It's not just black rappers. Ever seen a car commercial?
  • The industry of "shock jocks" is irrelevant in an era of beheadings-on-demand via YouTube
  • Asking why Imus got fired for saying this thing is like asking why Scorcese got an Oscar for The Departed. Both men are being recognized for their entire body of work and finally got what they've earned :)
  • and many more things...

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I know it's short notice, but I'd love you get some feedback and your own ideas about this issue of language, race, and "rules" before, during, or after the show tonight.

I'll integrate all that into a podcast of my own on goodCRIMETHINKcast

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[NP] Free Speech. Iowa. Imus. Public Radio Tonight!!

Wadup folks, Another NewsPhlash update for you. Right now, I'm sitting in a lecture hall on the campus of Iowa State University in Ames, IA. I started my day reading the US and Iowa constitutions' first amendments to a group of high school students on the steps of the school of agriculture. Tonight, I'll get to meet the First Lady of Journalism, Helen Thomas. Part of First Amendment Day here focuses on political satire (thanks to the good work of Dave Saldana), and I have the honor of sharing a panel (Speaking Freely: The Future of Talk) and performance stage tomorrow with political comics Tina Dupuy and Barry Crimmins. I'll give a post-event wrap-up in blog and podcast form. Second, I'm making another appearance on Radio Open Source tonight. The subject is basically, "Who's allowed to say what" in light of the Imussy situation. Check out my pre-show thoughts on the blog, and post your comments. I may rep you (or at least your ideas) on the air. Showtime is 7pm Eastern so hurry up! Stagetime magazine, which covers the comedy industry, has posted a feature interview with me. Read it suckas! Returning to NYC for live comedy next week! Make your reservations. I'll have 20 minutes to throw down. Ivy League Comedy Showcase Thursday April 26 Gotham Comedy Club, NYC 7pm --- also, i'm doing twitter updates of the whole weekend. check it at twitter.com/baratunde

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My Worst Night as a Standup Comic

photo courtesy of Christop via Flickr I have waited two weeks to tell this story, and now I'm ready. For the first time in my five years as a standup comic, I was booed off the stage. The Setup I've had some rough shows before. Every comedian has. I've gotten an audience that didn't get me and just sat there, giving me the silent treatment. I've had the frat boys more interested in the NCAA finals on the bar's flat screen than my jokes. One time I even had the tiniest audience (three people) just interrupt my set and tell me to talk about something else. That last show was one of my greatest ever, because in the end, I improvised some pretty funny stuff. What happened to me two weeks ago was far worse. I was participating in an audition for Bill Bellamy's show, Who's Got Jokes, which airs on TV One. I've never seen the show because I don't get TV One from my cable company, but it sounded interesting. My boy, Corey Manning, told me about the auditions that were happening in New Jersey, but I was in Austin that week for the SXSW festival. It turns out there were some audition slots at a club in Dallas at the same time. Coming off of my decent showing at the Bay Area Black Comedy Festival, I decided to do it. I rented a car in Austin and drove three and a half hours to Dallas to audition with three minutes of clean material. They made a point of stressing "clean material." That's all I have. (Update: by this, I mean all I have is clean material, NOT that I only have three minutes of clean material. Those who know me from my blog, shows, books and other writings are aware of this fact, but new people might not be.) I should add that for the full week preceding the audition, I had barely spoken a word due to some intense problems with my voice. I thought it was worth breaking the vocal rest for three minutes for a chance to get my comedy on television. I was wrong. Arrival The club was called Hyena's Comedy Club (turned out to be a perfect name), and it sits in Arlington, Texas between Dallas and Fort Worth, but since no one cares about Fort Worth, everybody just says the club is in Dallas. We were told to arrive between 5:30 and 7:30pm to sign in. The show was set to start at 8:30. I think I got in around 6:30, signed in as comic number 24 and was handed a 16-page contract to read and sign. The contract used big words like "indemnify" and gave new meaning to others ("parties" had nothing to do with a gathering of people for the purposes of fun and socializing). Basically, it said, "we own you and your soul, biatch," but it spread out that message in paragraphs and subsections and lots of bulleted lists. I don't even know what the point of all that was. Why have people read it? We couldn't change a damn thing. I signed away my rights and grabbed a bite at a vietnamese joint called "Pho 3.99." When I got back, they had all the comics line up for a quick videotaped interview and photo, and the show got started. "Black Comedy" For those outside the world of standup comedy, there is something called "black comedy." That's not when you happen to see a black person telling jokes on stage. "Black comedy" has come to be defined by a style and a look and a certain type of material. Just think BET's Comic View. It's generally very physical, often profane, and guarantees you exposure to material about certain inescapable topics:
  • how nasty black women's feet are (I have no idea why this is such a common joke, but it is)
  • how broke black people are
  • something about the black church
  • downlow brothas and (falsely) how they are responsible for spreading AIDS to black women
  • sex, usually re-enacted on the stage
  • some anti-gay jokes
  • how black people and white people are different
  • and more on black women's feet
I basically don't talk about any of those things, not because they aren't funny. They can be hella funny, but they are used a lot, and I don't connect with the topics on a personal level. I just don't care. I talk about what I know. I talk about politics, social issues, the news, Africans vs. African-Americans, surviving DC in the 1980s and 90, the Euro's currency exchange versus the dollar. You know? Real hood shit. Yet I wasn't initially nervous about this. If anything, I could almost guarantee no other comic would come close to covering my jokes, and I'd done a set of my material in a Def Comedy Jam audition with an incredibly positive response. It was that audition which made me comfortable doing this one. That sense of security was as false as a hair weave. The Law of Diminishing Audience Patience What really separates "black comedy" from mainstream comedy is the impatience of the audience. They will rip you if you are not entertaining them within 10 seconds. (see: Amateur Night at the Apollo) The audition had 36 comedians. Thirty six. I had signed in at 24, but somehow got bumped to 31. There is even less patience for the 31st comedian, and I had seen a few before me fall without finishing their sets. I admired the hell out of this one brotha, Ethan Hardaway. I overheard him during his interview before the show. He's only been doing comedy for about six months and has plans to go into a PhD program if this doesn't work out. He's also gay as hell, but managed to use that to his advantage even in the super anti-gay room. After an earlier comic hated on gay people and talked about how everyone in the room has "that one gay cousin," Ethan's used his opening line to tag with something like, "I'm your gay cousin." This shocked people awake and got good laughs despite the homophobia. and made them laugh. He had some killer material about T-cell counts I can't quite remember, but check his MySpace page if you get a moment. The boy is funny! But back to my crappy show. I think the problem started with the way the show was run overall. I'm not trying to make a lot of excuses, but I've done a bunch of auditions, and this one was missing a few things. Usually they meet with all the comics to explain where, when and how to approach the stage. They'll also let you know where the lights are to remind you that your time is almost up and then that your time is up. We didn't get any of that, so there was a lot of confusion about when people should get off the stage. This was extra stressful because they claimed your judging points would be cut if you went over your time, and three minutes is a strange amount of time to keep track of. What you'd have happen is a mix of signals. In general, there was a woman standing in the back with a flashlight, and she'd wave it or flicker it, but it was never clear if she meant, "you have 30 seconds" or "you're over your time." At other points the DJ would just scratch a record. Although it was meant as a time warning, it was interpreted by the audience as an ejection. A DJ scratch sounds like a mistake. It says, "you're not funny. Get off the stage." The audience picked up on all this. More importantly, I think the host, Rodney Perry (who I first met at the Bay Area Black Comedy Fest and who is mad funny himself) made a pretty big error at the beginning of the show. He announced to the audience that this was a professional audition with clean material and was being taped to send to judges in LA. He demanded respect for all the acts and said they wouldn't tolerate heckling. But then he said this:
"If you hear something you don't like, just say 'Alriiiiiiiight.'"
He meant that people should say this when he, the host, returned to the stage after an act, but he did did not make this clear to the audience. More importantly, if you say to the audience that you expect them to respect the comics, why would you then give them a tool of disrespect. "Don't heckle, but if you want to heckle, you can use this acceptable heckle." That just didn't make sense to me, and it gave the audience way too much freedom. As the show progressed, I watched one section of dudes in the audience increasingly cut off comics with loud, synchronized yells of "ALLRIIIIIGHT" to the point where the comic couldn't continue. When these dudes saw they had this power, they only abused it more. I remember one comic caving in: "Oh, is that my time then? Ok, goodnight." Rodney berated him, "Don't you ever let somebody tell you when to get off stage if it's not your time!" Nice words, but what was the comic really supposed to do when he can't be heard over jeers of "ALLLRIIIIIIGHT!!!!" My Set I had planned my set based on some feedback from the Bay Area Black Comedy thing. I took out any political stuff that didn't have to do with black people. No jokes about Alberto Gonzales jacking the Constitution. Nothing about Dubya being gangsta. I would do: my always-used, always working introduction of my name (Update: here is a video clip of the joke actually working) being from DC with a crackhead mayor: "When people find out I'm from DC they feel the need to remind me my mayor was a crackhead. I know that.... I SOLD it to him" a somewhat new bit about being caught in the jetblue meltdown a black history month joke about how when black people rob white people it's not a crime but instead, "involuntary reparations" a joke about scientists who found the gene that causes black folks to have high blood pressure. the name of the gene? white people a joke about the federal government pushing crack cocaine into black neighborhoods I barely got halfway through the material. Remember, I only had three minutes. Rodney brings me up and even manages to say my name right. I start off asking people to give him a hand for hosting. The audience gives up nothing. I say, "fine, don't applaud him" to some laughs, then I start off, "My full name is Baratunde Rafiq Thurston. Baratunde is an old Nigerian name--" "Stop stop!" I hear from the crowd. It's Rodney. He tells me I have to get off the stage. They need to change tapes. Right in the middle of my opening joke, I get pulled off stage. Talk about a momentum killer. And remember what I told you about the impatience of black audiences. Even though it wasn't my fault, I'm held accountable for that. Rodney talks a bit while they change tapes and brings me back up. I started off. "Don't give up nothing for Rodney Perry who messed up my intro. And do give it up for the Allright Crew over there. I don't want to hear from yall ever." I figure it's best to acknowledge these idiots from the top, and I get good laughs on this line. really. However, I made the mistake of going back to the "my name" joke, The tape change effectively destroyed the joke, but remember, all this is being taped for judges to see later. They won't know my set got hacked by a tape change, and I want them to see this opening joke that has served me so well. I get to the "one with no nickname" and get laughs. "Rafiq is an Arabic name which means, 'really. no nickname.'" A few more laughs. "Thurston. Thurston is an old British name that means--" "The Third!!" some people in the audience yell out, inspired by Gilligan's Island from approximately 200 years ago. Nice. I tell them this is my time and they can do their own jokes when they get three minutes (more laughs). The momentum of the joke, what little was left, is completely gone. "property of massa thurston." "I can see some of yall didn't expect that last one" They were confused, saying "no" and "huh?" "Well neither did we." A few folks who managed to stay with me through that butchered joke actually got it. Most had bailed. And then it came. "ALLLLRIIIIIGHT!!!" from the peanut gallery of fools who had been allowed to destroy so much of the show already. It's my first joke, and the bullies want me off stage. I will not leave (recalling Rodney's admonition to the other comic), but nothing matters at this point. The audience is done with me. There is no chance for redemption. I go into my Jetblue joke about being stuck at JFK and clearly no one gives a damn. Frankly neither do I. I don't show it, but I've given up on this set, this audience and this audition. But I refuse to leave the stage. I still have about two minutes left. I start into my black history joke about how when black people rob white people it's not a crime. It's involuntary reparations. The punchline is overwhelmed by sounds of "ALLLLLRIIIIIIIIGHT!!" They are getting into it. People are enjoying this destructive force against my creativity. This is probably the worst public humiliation of my life. Then the DJ joins the mob. The DJ starts scratching a record even though I'm maybe halfway through my time. Now I'm angry. I even call him out on it. The audience, I can understand, but the DJ is part of the staff and the audition. He's supposed to be representing TV One and the "respect" Rodney talked about earlier. That's unprofessional man. Then the lady with the flashlight starts flashing me. With a minute left. Horrible. The Post-Game Report I've been heckled before. I've had audiences not get me before. But I've never been so structurally handicapped and rejected in the way I was that night. There was nothing fun about it. It was ugly. It was a mob. I was the witch, and why? Because I dared to not talk about women's ashy feet or how black people and white people brush their teeth differently? The quickness with which the audience turned on me was devastating. It doesn't make me want to quit comedy, but it makes me lose faith in that crowd. See, I know the loss is theirs. I left the show mad at everyone including myself. I broke my silence for this bullshit? I drove a total of seven hours for this? I missed a day at SXSW for this?? I looked back at the other acts of the evening, and so many followed the script: feet, gays, money or lack thereof, sex, feet. I strayed from that and paid a price as did others that night. I felt like people were mad at me for not talking about their feet! After I performed at the Bay Area Black Comedy Fest, the producer, Tony Spires said my material was over a lot of people's heads. Maybe that's true, but it's only because stereotypical "black comedy" has been holding their heads under water for so long with bullshit. What does it say to a comedian who sees what happened to me? You better stick to the script? Standup comedy should not be about a script. As a comic, I know I can't appeal to everyone. Even the biggest names have their detractors. Plenty of people think Jerry Seinfeld is a talentless hack or that Chris Rock lacks intelligent material. I know both views are wrong, but knowing that doesn't make it easy to deal with. No one wants to be rejected by their own people. It's like being kicked out by your family. And the family is dysfunctional. The family is often homophobic and misinformed. I heard one performer repeat the urban myth that black women have the highest AIDS rates because of black men on the downlow. This is not true, but it's a convenient bogeyman. It just hurt to see that joke work so well because people believed the bad science behind it. They weren't laughing out of a sense of irony. They were laughing out of a sense of ignorance. It's pretty good timing that on my way to the show I was listening to a hip hop artist from Oakland (Brutha Los) talk about the state of rap music. "Rap music is basically hair metal. It's built on black death and is nihilistic at best. It's a parody of itself. But rap music is not hip hop." I think those words prepared me to go through what I did. "Black comedy" is not black comedy. In other words, I too am black comedy, but the mass production of stereotypical images has led an audience to believe I don't belong.

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Barack Obama Likes Mayonnaise (Weekly Dig)

Originally published in the March 14, 2007 edition of Boston's Weekly Dig I’m having a hard time with all this talk about Senator Barack Obama not being black enough, so I plan to address, explain and end discussion of the matter right here. Pay close attention. The topic seems to have originated in black media outlets. Radio shows especially have questioned Obama’s “black authenticity.” Because his mother was white and his father was—get this—actually African (the original black), his life doesn’t parallel the lives of “real” black people. (Any black person who has a reasonable shot at the White House clearly doesn’t have a life paralleling that of the average black American, but that isn’t what they meant.) Black leaders were hesitant to support Obama because he didn’t come up with them, and the story gained momentum with polls showing that black people overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton over Obama, presumably because of these same issues of authenticity. By the first weekend in March, however, Obama was gaining on Hillary, as they both planned to speak at a historic civil rights event in Selma, Alabama. So the story was ratcheted up yet again. We got word that Obama’s mother’s ancestors owned slaves. Imagine that! Who ever heard of white people owning slaves in America? By the time you read this, they’ll be saying Obama’s favorite show is Friends, he loves mayonnaise, and he actually owns slaves today. This is all a bunch of nonsense. Why would we immediately reject a man like Barack Obama, with his history of neighborhood activism and accomplished academic background? Consider the shady characters that black people have embraced. We embraced O.J. Simpson after he killed his damn wife. We embraced R. Kelly after he peed on a child and videotaped it. And if you want to consider the racial purity question, we embraced a 100-percent-white Bill Clinton and actually had the nerve to call him “the first black president”—but only after he cheated on his wife. Now, let’s talk about the wife. This black authenticity story, which started in the black media, has crossed over to the mainstream, but where are the stories questioning Hillary’s womanhood? Where is the story that attacks her for staying with a man who so publicly shamed her? Where is the story that says Hillary is the ultimate throwback woman because her campaign is largely predicated on the success of her husband’s presidency? There’s a reason she’s not running as Hillary Rodham. While there is a sometimes-real divide between black people with slave ancestry in America and those who voluntarily immigrated, I think the truth of Obama and black folks is more complicated. When Obama was elected to the Senate, we didn’t see these stories questioning his blackness from black or mainstream media. No one seemed to care, even though he’s only the fifth black senator ever, and the first since 1998. Even when given a choice for “blacker” presidential candidates, like Sharpton in 2004, black people have usually voted for the white candidates. I think black voters haven’t quite joined Obama for President because, more than anyone else, they know America can’t handle a black president. Think about it. America can’t even handle black people in horror movies. We’re still the first to die. America doesn’t know how to deal with black club-goers on the night before their weddings. America shoots them 50 times. America even has trouble with fictional black presidents. On 24, they tried to kill President David Palmer three times. Have you ever seen such murderous determination targeting fictional white presidents? The West Wing’s Jed Bartlet seemed pretty safe. 24 finally did assassinate Palmer—on the fourth attempt, when he wasn’t even president anymore. Why would you write that into a script? I can imagine the writers’ group: “I don’t know. He’s not president anymore. What’s the point of killing him?” “Well, he’s still black, right?” “That’s what’s up. Cap that fool.” Palmer’s brother Wayne is president now. Yes, we now have “Brotha President.” And you know what? They tried to kill him, too. On the very first episode of this season. Did the man even get an inaugural ball? America is sending a very clear message: Yes, there can be a black president, but we’re eventually gonna kill him. Maybe black America just likes Obama better alive.

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What Would Jesus Buy? (Starbucks Protest from SXSW)

Sxsw: what would Jesus buy?

One of my friends described SXSW Interactive as a pilgrimage, and that's the best description I've heard yet. Amazing things tend to go down, and I was lucky enough to catch one of the most interesting protests with the video clip function on my digital camera. I saw a man in a white suit leading a choir dressed in red robes.

They were on a mission to prevent the Shopocalypse -- overconsumption and bastardization of Christianity in America. I dabbled on this point in my I'll Show You a War on Christmas post back in December 2005.

Check out the video below. I continue to experiment with the pretty awesome SplashCast player below. The video is actually on YouTube, but SplashCast lets me add some cool transitions and explanatory posters around the video. Even though I told no one about the YouTube link, it's received an Honor in the News & Politics section.

Watch the video, and read more below after you finish

The protest was led by Reverend Billy who is featured in a new documentary produced by Morgan Spurlock of Super Size Me fame. The film debuted at SXSW, but I missed the first showing. I'm gonna try like mad to make the next one. According to superblogger and friend Liza Sabater, it's off the hook.

I saw Spurlock speak about the film in a panel, and he just makes you want to rise up and take over some ish. The idea of using art as an agent of change or at least raising awareness is right where he's at. He's trying to help the medicine go down, and judging from what I saw, America is set to receive a heavy dosage.

p.s. if you want to grab the YouTube link, go ahead, but try using the SplashPlayer for your embeds. It's just prettier.

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This is what I've been saying about Coulter all along

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Conservative bloggers are pressing very hard to distance themselves from Ann Coulter's dumbass remarks. For those who missed it, she called John Edwards a "faggot" in her speech at a conservative conference last week. I was thrilled to see this forceful denunciation below which is being "signed" by many conservative bloggers.

How can we teach young conservatives to fight for their principles with civility and respect when Ann Coulter is allowed to address the conference? Coulter’s invective is a sign of weak thinking and unprincipled politicking.

An Open Letter to CPAC Sponsors and Organizers Regarding Ann Coulter » The American Mind


Weak thinking. I've been saying that forever! I'm still mad that she's gotten published so much. I still contend that if she is so deserving off all the print, stage and airtime she's received, then so am I!

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